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MLS Carryover Minutes as a Predictor of Success

March 9, 2013

Meaningless statistic? You decide.


I got this idea from Tweed Thornton of Hot Time in Old Town. For a couple of years, Tweed ran a post at the end of the season showing the percentage of minutes played on each team by players that had been with the team the previous season. It’s an attempt to quantify whether the consistency of a roster could be correlated to team performance.


In the table below, the first two columns do exactly what Tweed did. So for the ‘End ’11′ column, the percentages reflect the number of minutes by 2010 carryover players. The twist I’ve added is to do the same at the beginning of the season. So the third column is a pretty close representation of the carryover minutes from 2012 players for each team. Note that the calculations are not perfect, but they should be pretty close.


In the first two columns, teams shaded in mauve, yeah I said it, mauve, did not qualify for the playoffs.

Some Observations


  • Chivas USA is the only team under 50% in all three columns.
  • Philadelphia is the only team under 50% to make the playoffs.
  • Real Salt Lake’s big turnover is apparent in the 3rd column.
  • San Jose pretty much stood pat, but they have lots of injuries to key players.
  • Remaking a team takes a couple of years, note Colorado under Oscar Pareja in 2012-13.
  • Most consistent? Los Angeles.

    • Carryover Minutes
      End ’11 End ’12 Begin ’13
     CHI  42.5%   69.6%   70.8% 
     CHV  49.4%   41.5%   47.0% 
     CLB  58.1%   60.3%   65.0% 
     COL  80.5%   58.7%   57.7% 
     DAL  66.8%   69.4%   59.4% 
     DC  29.0%   61.3%   75.5% 
     HOU  66.6%   84.1%   78.9% 
     KC  62.2%   83.1%   74.8% 
     LA  79.3%   74.3%   76.6% 
     MTL -    78.9% 
     NE  57.5%   51.2%   80.2% 
     NY  63.6%   46.7%   55.4% 
     PHL  49.7%   69.9%   74.7% 
     PTL    57.1%   65.4% 
     RSL  84.4%   88.6%   72.2% 
     SEA  78.4%   63.0%   73.1% 
     SJ  74.0%   81.2%   86.7% 
     TFC  35.3%   60.9%   56.6% 
     VAN    51.5%   76.4% 
    Missed Playoffs


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    5th Annual Pundits’ MLS Prediction Post

    March 1, 2013

    Some Starters

    This is the 5th year that I’ve posted the collated predictions by pundits of the soccersphere. The first two years I was posting for MLS Talk. I like to thank Chris over at MLS Talk for giving me the opportunity to join his fine group of blogs and allowing me to find a voice(of sorts) that I hope some readers have enjoyed. For MLS attendance geeks, check out the MLS Attendance page on OLR. Every regular season game in the history of MLS is in the database. It’s not perfect and if you have suggestions on how to improve it, please let me know. Thanks for reading and happy MLS’ing.

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    Take Me Out to the Ballgame – 2013 Prequel

    February 25, 2013

    With the 2013 MLS season just around the corner, here’s a look back at recent MLS attendance and a few other things. I’ll have my annual crystal ball post online later this week.

    5 year comparison
      Avg +/- GP
     2008   16,460     210 
     2009   16,037   -2.57%   225 
     2010   16,675   3.98%   240 
     2011   17,869   7.16%   306 
     2012   18,798   5.20%   323 
    2008 210 Game Season – 2009 225 Game Season
     2010 240 Game Season – 2011 306 Game Season
     2012 323 Game Season
    5 year comparison
      Average Median %<10K %>18k
     2008    16,460     15,188    10.95%   33.81% 
     2009    16,037     14,686    14.67%   31.11% 
     2010    16,675     15,332    7.50%   36.25% 
     2011    17,869     17,639    5.56%   48.69% 
     2012    18,798     18,393    1.86%   54.18% 
    MLS Attendance – Equal # of Home Games
      2011 2012  
      Att Cap Att Att +/- GP % of Cap Cap
     Seattle  38,495   ??   43,104   11.97%   17   96.66%   44,594 
     LA Galaxy  23,335   86.43%   23,136   -0.85%   17   85.69%   27,000 
     Montréal  NA  NA  22,772   NA  17   71.15%   32,005 
     Houston  17,694   80.28%   20,946   18.38%   17   95.04%   22,039 
     Portland  18,827   101.07%   20,438   8.56%   17   100.00%   20,438 
     Vancouver  20,408   97.18%   19,475   -4.57%   17   92.74%   21,000 
     Sporting KC  17,810   96.44%   19,404   8.95%   17   105.08%   18,467 
     Salt Lake  17,594   87.94%   19,087   8.49%   17   95.40%   20,008 
     Red Bulls  19,691   78.17%   18,281   -7.16%   17   72.58%   25,189 
     Toronto  20,267   92.21%   18,155   -10.42%   17   82.60%   21,978 
     Philadelphia  18,258   98.69%   18,053   -1.12%   17   97.58%   18,500 
     Chicago  14,273   78.92%   16,407   14.95%   17   82.03%   20,000 
     Colorado  14,838   74.19%   15,175   2.27%   17   83.90%   18,086 
     Columbus  12,185   59.57%   14,397   18.15%   17   70.38%   20,455 
     FC Dallas  12,861   54.92%   14,139   9.94%   17   66.72%   21,193 
     NE Revs  13,222   58.76%   14,001   5.90%   17   62.23%   22,500 
     D.C. United  15,196   77.35%   13,846   -8.88%   17   70.47%   19,647 
     San Jose  11,858   112.67%   13,293   12.10%   17   86.81%   15,313 
     ChivasUSA  14,830   68.41%   13,056   -11.96%   17   69.45%   18,800 

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    Soccer Potpourri

    November 23, 2012

    MLS

    The Business of Soccer

    Interesting Reads

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    MLS Crystal Ball Revisited: 2012 Edition

    October 31, 2012

    Back in March, for the fourth year, I wrote a post with the preseason predictions of some of the most widely read soccer pundits. In all, I collected the predictions of 18 posts.

    Now before anyone gets their pants in a wad, I am aware that things change during the season. Players get injured, others get signed, etc. So just keep in mind that this post is about what was known back in March and the pundits(and I) took our best shots with what was laid out before us.
    Note I am also aware that some writers will say their lists are ‘power rankings’, not predictions. Fine, a rose by any other name, but when you say team X is #1, it’s fair to say that all things being equal in the writer’s mind, that team should finish with the most points, doncha think?

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    MLS Performance Bits

    October 17, 2012

    As MLS resumes action after the international break, here are some random stats. As usual, if you find any errors please let me know in the comment section. Enjoy.


    The Player Performance bits are for those with at least 700 minutes played

  • Consistency: Nine of the players that are in the top 20 in Points per 90 finished 2011 in the Top 20.
  • Consistency: Mauro Rosales is on track to repeat(or finish 2nd) as the league leader in Assists per 90.


    • You can generate your own Top 20 in Points, Goals, or Assists per 90 minutes for any season in league history on the MLS Player Statistics page of this site.


    Team Bits – Scoring First and more

  • 285 of the 303 games played were not scoreless.
  • Columbus has been offside the most often. Colorado and Sporting KC the least often.
  • The team that scores first has won 184 games, drawn 51 times and lost 50 times.
  • The home team that scores first has won 125 games, drawn 24 times and lost 16 times.
  • The visiting team that scores first has won 59 games, drawn 27 times and lost 34 times.
  • No team has won more than lost after surrendering the first goal.
  • Only Toronto has lost more than won when leading at the half.
  • Eleven teams have not won when trailing at the half.
  • Vancouver has committed and suffered the most fouls.
  • The league’s Shots on Goal Percent is 34.6%, ranging from 29.2%(Sporting KC) to 39.4%(New England).
  • Houston has scored the highest percentage of its goals in the final 15 minutes(37.8%). They’ve surrendered the 2nd fewest in the same 15(13.2%)
  • Since the end of the shootout/extra time era(2002) winning home teams have averaged 2.3 goals while allowing .061. Winning visitors have scored 2.09, giving up .057.


    • MLS teams’ point differential from 2011 after 303 games
    Note: The 2011 season had 306 games

    Points Difference 2012 v 2011
      2012 2011 Pts
       Pts  PPG  Pts  PPG Diff
     San Jose  64   2.00   35   1.06   29 
     Kansas City  59   1.84   51   1.50   8 
     Chicago  56   1.75   43   1.26   13 
     Real Salt Lake  55   1.72   53   1.56   2 
     DC United  54   1.69   39   1.15   15 
     NY Red Bull  53   1.66   46   1.35   7 
     Seattle  52   1.68   60   1.82   -8 
     Los Angeles  50   1.56   67   2.03   -17 
     Houston  50   1.56   46   1.39   4 
     Columbus  49   1.53   47   1.38   2 
     Vancouver  42   1.31   28   0.82   14 
     Dallas  38   1.19   52   1.58   -14 
     Philadelphia  36   1.16   48   1.41   -12 
     Colorado  31   0.97   49   1.44   -18 
     Portland  30   0.94   42   1.24   -12 
     New England  29   0.91   28   0.82   1 
     Chivas USA  29   0.91   36   1.09   -7 
     Toronto FC  22   0.69   33   0.97   -11 


    How the CONCACAF Champions League has effected MLS teams

    CCL Impact on MLS Performance – ’12-13
    Group Begins After Group Play
       GP   PPG   GP   PPG   +/- 
     Los Angeles  23   1.43   32   1.56   8.90% 
     Real Salt Lake  23   1.83   32   1.72   -5.88% 
     Seattle  21   1.62   31   1.68   3.61% 
     Houston  22   1.68   32   1.56   -7.09% 
     Toronto FC  21   0.90   32   0.69   -24.01% 


    Wondo’s season is good enough for 10th all time in goals per 90 minutes, Alan Gordon is on track for 7th best all time.

    All Time Top 20 Goals/90(700 Minutes Minimum)
     Team  Player  Mins  G  A  Pts  Pts/90  Year
     CLB  Stern John  2170   26   5   57   1.078   1998 
     COL  Wolde Harris  1133   13   4   30   1.033   1998 
     TB  Mamadou Diallo  2405   26   4   56   0.973   2000 
     TOR  Danny Koevermans  756   8   1   17   0.952   2011 
     TB  Roy Lassiter  2580   27   4   58   0.942   1996 
     LA  Carlos Ruiz  2376   24   1   49   0.909   2002 
     SJ  Alan Gordon  1297   13   8   34   0.902   2012 
     DC  Raul Diaz Arce  2351   23   2   48   0.880   1996 
     NE  Taylor Twellman  2418   23   6   52   0.856   2002 
     SJ  Chris Wondolowski  2633   25   8   58   0.855   2012 
     LA  Landon Donovan  2136   20   9   49   0.843   2008 
     DC  Jaime Moreno  1725   16   8   40   0.835   1997 
     MIA  Alex Pineda Chacon  2055   19   9   47   0.832   2001 
     CHI  Hristo Stoitchkov  987   9   7   25   0.821   2000 
     LA  Eduardo Hurtado  2323   21   7   49   0.814   1996 
     NY  Juan Pablo Angel  2125   19   5   43   0.805   2007 
     LA  Cobi Jones  2136   19   13   51   0.801   1998 
     NE  Joe-Max Moore  1238   11   1   23   0.800   1996 
     KC  Miklos Molnar  1353   12   1   25   0.798   2000 
     DAL  Jeff Cunningham  1,918   17   8   42   0.798   2009 
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    Soccer Potpourri

    October 11, 2012

    MLS

    Interesting Reads

    Tournaments

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    MLS Performance Bits

    August 29, 2012

  • Thierry Henry, Landon Donovan and Patrice Benier are in the Top 20 of Points per 90, Goals per 90 and Assists per 90.
  • Darren Mattocks leads all rookies in Points per 90.
  • Nine DP’s are in the Top 20 of Points per 90.
  • DC United have 4 players in the Top 20 of Points per 90.
  • Using a scale of 1(best) to 19(worst) of goals for/against per 90 minutes, Seattle has the lowest aggregate ranking(7). The Sounders finished 2011 with the lowest aggregate. Toronto has the 2nd highest aggregate(34). Toronto finished 2011 with the highest aggregate.
  • New England is committing the fewest fouls per 90 minutes. The Revs are also 2nd most fouled team per 90 minutes.
  • The Red Bulls have the highest percentage of goals per shots in the league. Not surprisingly, Chivas USA has the lowest percentage.
  • The Revs have the best percentage of shots on goal. Over 42% of their shots are on target. Of course it means nothing if not enough of those shots actually make it into the net. The Revs are 13th in Goals per Game.


    • You can generate your own Top 20 in Points, Goals, or Assists per 90 minutes for any season in league history on the MLS Player Statistics page of this site.

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    MLS Performance Bits

    August 22, 2012

    The Player Performance bits are for those with at least 700 minutes played.

  • Two players are in the top 20 in Points per 90, Goals per 90 and Assists per 90. Thierry Henry and Landon Donovan.
  • Of the top 20 in Points per 90, 8 are DP’s and 3 are Generation Adidias players.
  • David Ferreira, back from injury is #1 in Assists per 90.
  • All of the top 20 in Points per 90 are producing more than a point per 90 minutes.
  • The Red Bulls are converting the highest percentage of goals per shots. Chivas USA are converting the lowest percentage.
  • Houston have yielded only 2 goals in the final 15 minutes. Montréal have given up 13.
  • San Jose have scored an astonishing 17 goals in the final 15. Columbus only 2.
  • New England have the highest percentage of its shots on goal. Sporting KC the lowest.
  • Three players that left MLS for Europe and returned, Eddie Johnson, Kenny Cooper and Chris Rolfe are in the top 20 of Points per 90.
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    More MLS Top 20 Stuff

    August 15, 2012

    MLS Stat Stuff

    In the course of filling in my database of player statistics, I started playing around with the data and have come up with the following tables(and added 2012). I think you’ll find it interesting, or I wouldn’t have bothered posting it. For me, I get a visual representation of the players that show consistency when on the offensive.
    Each of the tables are based on a top 20 points per 90 minutes basis with a minimum of 700 minutes played.

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